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deal with the sequesters we would not let this get away from us. we shouldn't this time. for mr. obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like the bill, let it go for debate. let his senate vote it down and say no, we're not going to accept these conditions. >> let me ask you this, then. interesting question. president obama gets his own deal, sends it over to the republicans, they have the same dilemma. >> well, they may. but i think you would at least see a fair dee beat. look, i think the average american realizes we have to cut spending. you know the numbers. >> craig, i have to ask you -- i have to stop you. i don't think they do. we ran a package ye
in taxes. guess what? they raised the taxes and never cut the spending. there is reason for us to be cautious about that. there has to be a way through this. maybe it will take the market starting to send a signal and people taking actions in anticipation of this raising of the taxes. do you know an economist that doesn't believe we will not go into a recession. >>neil: the markets do not lately seem to be too worried. do you think no deal is better than a bad deal? >>guest: the only thing we can do is to make a deal. i think the american people deserve it. if we don't get it, i really worry about the country. i do worry. i am in discussions with people about this nuclear option. i am in discussions with people about the immigration reform issue. we could have discussions about this. i don't think the democrats want this to go over the cliff. not the majority of them. i pray not. >>neil: one seems to be tempting the other. >>guest: it is a game of chicken. i don't believe it will happen. i don't think anyone wants it to happen. and sequestration is looming as of january 1. in t
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